At the January 29 General Committee meeting, committee approved a recommendation brought forward by municipal staff to prohibit all candidate election signs on public property.
Huntsville Clerk Tanya Calleja told councillors that the recommendation was being put forward by clerks throughout Muskoka and that Bracebridge and Gravenhurst councils had passed it. “The more we do together, the easier it is on candidates as well as staff,” she said.
Councillor Cory Clarke asked for a recorded vote on the issue. Clarke, Deputy Mayor Dan Armour, and Councillor Bob Stone voted against the recommendation.
“I don’t know what prompted this other than a desire to not have signs everywhere, but I worry about the first-time person running and how they’re going to let the people know that they’re putting their name forward,” said Stone, adding that the signs are only up for a short period.
Hunsville Mayor Nancy Alcock spoke to both sides of the issue. She said she understands environmental concerns related to the proliferation of election signs, which are not recyclable. “Yes, it’s clutter, but you know, this is kind of one of those moments, it’s almost emotional, it’s democracy, right, and seeing all of the signs out there, and you know that’s all part and parcel of the process,” she said. Alcock said she liked that the recommendation was a collaboration with other clerks and that Bracebridge and Gravenhurst, which she said are comparable municipalities, have adopted the change.
Alcock said some candidates do have name recognition because of who they are, whereas someone who is new to the area may not. “I think at the end of the day, if it’s a decision of this council that this makes a lot of sense, I think I would support that,” said Alcock.
Deputy Mayor Dan Armour suggested that the time when signs are allowed on certain public lands could be shortened and not during the busy summer months.
Councillor Clarke argued that prohibiting the signs on public property would give incumbents an unfair advantage because it is important that newcomers have every opportunity “to get their names out there.” He said he’d be open to allowing electoral signs to be placed for a shorter period on public property but not prohibited outright.
“I think that election signs still play a role, and I don’t want to see a policy that would put a newcomer at a disadvantage because we need to make sure that new candidates aren’t discouraged. That’s part of how we keep council fresh and new ideas, and that’s very important, I think,” said Clarke.
Councillor Scott Morrison had a different take. “First, I feel that if you’re depending on signs to get you elected, you probably shouldn’t run.” He said social media reaches many more people and has a lower environmental and financial cost. “We’re not banning signs,” said Morrison. He said he approached staff on the issue “because I was embarrassed at how many signs I had out the last election, and they’re sitting in my garage right now. They’re going to the landfill at some point,” said Morrison and pointed to the adverse methane gas produced by landfills.
“Knocking on doors is how you get your platform out. There’s nothing about a sign that says how good you’re going to be as a councillor. It doesn’t say what your platform is, who you want to serve, and what you want to do…”
Councillor Monty Clouthier said he agreed with the recommendation because signs could still be placed on private property. He said social media and “boots on the ground” are the way to get the message out.
Alcock said she does not like social media but understands that it’s important during an election.
Morrison also said banning election signs on public property would save staff time. “The amount of calls they get. The amount of time they put into dealing with this is insurmountable while they’re also doing their full-time job. And, the other thing, the public wants this,” he said.
“I just wanna say I think we’re creating an unfair playing field for those people who aren’t currently on council by this whole motion,” said Armour. “All we’re going to do is make the media outlets a little richer by buying advertisements on there…”
In the end, the majority of councillors voted in favour of banning the signs on public lands. Calleja also clarified that if the council passes the motion, it will not apply to the provincial election because it was called under the old bylaw, and council does not meet until February 24.
The proposed amendments to the bylaw include charging $50 per sign to remove the signs for those who contravene the bylaw.
All recommendations from Huntsville’s General Committee must be ratified by Huntsville Council.
Update: you can read the staff report HERE.
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Ms. Kay…read Hugh Holland ‘s blogs . Definitely not of a Progressive Conservative persuasion …….Hi ?if R.-A. .
That would be ” a former blighter ” !I sit corrected !
Guess I’m of the same mind as Paulette Davis and pretty much everyone else who has commented here on Doppler. Is there nothing else of importance to spend time debating? It would be interesting if the actual thinking that brought this on were disclosed. I know there are a few suggestions as to why in the piece, but it seems that the idea comes from elsewhere. So we don’t get the actual analysis that brought this up as agenda here in Huntsville.
Is there the necessity of following the lead of different jurisdictions? If so why do we have separate ones? Lord knows we have more levels of government than we really need. And here we are given a good example as to why we don’t need them all.
For sure there are those who will be of different mind than we who have commented here, but they are free to comment as well. We are talking about the supposed, ultimate, opinionated, democratic process. Election!
“There are more than(66,600) stories in the ‘Naked City”. These are just a few of them.
The local detachment of the Sign Police in Bracebridge and Gravenhurst actually took down signs protesting the hospital plans because they were on public property.
But election, real estate, painters and many other signs on town property are fine.
Just the hospital signs are “illegal.”
Search “Town of Bracebridge preparing to remove some ‘illegal’ signs”
“GRAVENHURST BYLAW STAFF REMOVE SOME ‘ILLEGAL’ HOSPITAL SUPPORT SIGNS ON ‘TOWN PROPERTY’
Dear Ms. Kay,
It might pain you to learn that those who contribute to Doppler have diverse political affiliations.
So, let me get this straight! Election signs on public property are bad, but any garden centre, auction company or house painting company can put hundreds of signs out advertising themselves and or events? Local Businesses putting up endless road side signs on public property are a way bigger issue then election signs. I am not sure what the goal is here, is it to lower voter turnout? is it to help people be less informed? or perhaps is to contribute to a greater trend of voter apathy in order to protect incumbents? what a waste of time and frankly stupid distraction from real issues this town faces. thank you to those who voted against this.
More unnecessary foolishness.
These signs cost the municipality nothing.
There are rules that they can be up for a certain period prior and must be taken down within a set period after an election.
If any are found to contravene these existing time limits, road patrol crews visit every kilometer of road every few days, just pick up the signs that are out of time or place. You know who to charge, it’s right on the sign. Add them up, put them in piles somewhere convenient, one fee if the candidate picks them up an pays the late fees, a higher one if the municipality has to dispose of them.
All done, no new laws needed, no cost to town. It was never an issue in the first place.
I disagree with the idea. The signs are important, and banning them gives incumbants an unfair advantage. Generally, the signs are up for a very short time, and that could be shortened to be the two weeks leading up to the election, or something similar. Are there not more broad range regulations regading elections in Canada that could inform this decision to ensure equal access for communication. Social media is untrustworthy and frequently biased. Local “news” agencies are openly biased, for example Doppler’s extreme PC bias. Signs help level the playing field, albeit in a very small way. Rules currently in place ensure the signs are gather up quickly after an election by the candidates’ teams/volunteers so I am not troubled by their appearance, but I am troubled by the notion of intentionally creating a unlevel playing fied.
Do we not have more pressing matters than signs….people are homeless…can’t afford food…snow removal might be nice
Ban them from public property .Private Property only .Far more meaningful indicator of voter support and .less of a blight….A former brighter!