In a previous Listen Up article, I wrote that President-elect Donald Trump doesn’t joke; he baits. It is true that over the years, he has told so many lies and spread so much disinformation that it is hard to take him seriously.
But we must.
Many of the articles I have read about Trump’s reference to Canada as America’s 51st State and the Prime Minister of Canada as Governor Trudeau begin with a comment that he is joking.
He is not.
When Trump repeatedly says he wants to take back the Panama Canal, purchase Greenland and potentially annex Canada, when he mocks this country in his Christmas message, he is sending signals we need to pay attention to. He is showing serious signs of being expansionist and territorial like Russia and China. He probably honestly believes that if these two countries can be territorial, so can the United States.
There may be no realistic scenario for Canada becoming part of the United States, but Donald Trump will push that button as far as he can to see what he can gain from it.
In a recent opinion piece, author Eric Blais said this: “With Trudeau’s weakening position in the polls and Chrystia Freeland’s abrupt resignation, Trump’s taunts seem designed to exploit Canada’s vulnerabilities. It is a calculated tactic to keep Canada off balance, create chaos at federal and provincial levels and distract from the broader agenda.” And then this. “While Trump’s remarks may seem like just another Truth Social quip, their potential ripple effects on Canada’s political landscape are no laughing matter.”
Taken at face value, Donald Trump’s demeaning posture toward Canada is not only disrespectful, but it is also a direct attack on its sovereignty. In that context, former Quebec Premier Jean Charest posted online that “every Canadian, regardless of their opinion of the Prime Minister or political affiliation, should feel deeply offended by President Trump’s remarks.”
Donald Trump may bluster to the point that people tend not to take him seriously but one must remember that he has the entire MAGA movement behind him as well as Elon Musk, all of whom believe, the greater, larger and more powerful the United States can be, the better.
Elon Musk himself, with the possible exception of Trump, is probably the most powerful and influential person in the United States. Some say he is effectively co-president. Trump has said he cannot be president because he was not born in America, and that seems to be enough solace for him. When Musk was directly asked whether or not he was effectively President of the United States, he responded, “Not officially.” Scary that.
There are those who believe that Trump will soon jettison Musk because he is becoming too powerful. I am not so sure that he will or even that he can. I see Elon Musk as more like a modern-day Rasputin, who had so much influence over the last Czar of Russia.
I believe that Trump is captivated by Musk and listens to him very carefully and gives him free rein. For that reason, I don’t believe the President-elect would be talking so freely about expansionism in relation to Canada, the Panama Canal, or Greenland without his encouragement and endorsement.
Against that background, enter now, Mr. Wonderful. That is the self-styled handle of Kevin O’Leary, a Canadian entrepreneur and showman known by many for his role in the television program Dragon’s Den.
He claims that most Canadians want a more formal relationship with the United States. First of all, he is wrong. A recent Leger poll indicates only 13% of Canadians would support that.
Here, we have a Canadian, not without influence or notoriety, advocating for at least an economic relationship with the United States, if not total annexation. According to one newspaper, O’Leary “endorses Trump’s vision of Canada as the 51st U.S. State for economic benefits.”
In relation to his belief that Trump should pursue his stated position on Canada, Kevin O’Leary has said, “I’m going to Mar-a-Lago to convince Trump myself.” He forgot to mention that he hadn’t actually been invited, but that won’t stop Kevin O’Leary, who has apparently been invited to Trump’s Inauguration.
If O’Leary does manage to bend Trump’s ear, as he says he wants to, some may think it is just two old clowns having a good laugh at Canada.
But Trump admires men like Mr. Wonderful. He will listen to O’Leary if only to add fuel to promoting his own agenda and claiming to have huge support.
No doubt, someone will correct me if I am wrong here, and maybe things have changed in this populist world. However, I can’t help thinking that if someone goes or threatens to go to the President or President-elect of another country to advocate for some form of domination of Canada, that, at least at one time, would come pretty close to treason.
Canada does not need people like Kevin O’Leary to promote a weakening of our Sovereignty. Most people in this country are proud to be Canadian, warts and all.
What we do need, however, is leadership that demonstrates to the Trump Administration that this game is not on and that our sovereignty needs to be taken seriously. While I recognize that much of this diplomacy must hide behind closed doors, Canadians need assurance that their interests as a nation are being protected.
Sometime in the near future there is going to be a general election in Canada. Although we have serious domestic issues, there is, in my view, no more serious a situation than the need to define the relationship between Canada and the United States and to know what policies will be put in place to make sure Canada’s national interests are protected.
Speaking personally, the political party that can best demonstrate that will have my vote. Mr. Wonderful can opt for the United States if he so chooses; I am perfectly happy right where I am.
Hugh Mackenzie
Hugh Mackenzie has held elected office as a trustee on the Muskoka Board of Education, a Huntsville councillor, a District councillor, and mayor of Huntsville. He has also served as chairman of the District of Muskoka and as chief of staff to former premier of Ontario, Frank Miller.
Hugh has also served on a number of provincial, federal and local boards, including chair of the Ontario Health Disciplines Board, vice-chair of the Ontario Family Health Network, vice-chair of the Ontario Election Finance Commission, and board member of Roy Thomson Hall, the National Theatre School of Canada, and the Anglican Church of Canada. Locally, he has served as president of the Huntsville Rotary Club, chair of Huntsville District Memorial Hospital, chair of the Huntsville Hospital Foundation, president of Huntsville Festival of the Arts, and board member of Community Living Huntsville.
In business, Hugh Mackenzie has a background in radio and newspaper publishing. He was also a founding partner and CEO of Enterprise Canada, a national public affairs and strategic communications firm established in 1986.
Currently, Hugh is president of C3 Digital Media Inc., the parent company of Doppler Online, and he enjoys writing commentary for Huntsville Doppler.
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As 2025 gets underway, I am more optimistic than I have been for years concerning Canada’s future. We will soon have a government that will focus on people’s priorities, our collective good, and broadly improving prosperity. This is in stark contrast to an exhausted, scandal plagued Trudeau government that for 9 years has pushed a divisive, politically selfish, ideological driven agenda, undermining prosperity and badly dividing our country in the process.
Canada has much to be proud of and great opportunity to improve the future for all Canadians. With new, superior national leadership and policy, we will find a way to deal with the incoming Trump administration that benefits both countries. Here’s to a better 2025!
Thank you to Hugh MacKenzie for writing and explaining hi thoughts in this commentary.
It is well worth reading, and encourages us the Canadian people to think about what we want, and what us right for Canada. We all need to heed this message.
“Trump should be taken seriously not literally” is the quote I hear most often Hugh. Respectfully Hugh MacKenzie & Hugh Holland, I think if you thought this way he would not get under your skin as much although it is very difficult when he is taken out of context everyday by the media as Ms. Frost points out. I also do not think he baits, he simply toss’s out ideas and thoughts for consideration than sits back and enjoys free consultation and counter thoughts on his ideas from his adversaries as we are doing now. He lets the world and the media overthink his ideas while he moves on to the next thing on his agenda.
Canada as a 51st state is an interesting and complicated proposal although I think an EU style treaty or hybrid is more likely. Significantly lower tax’s, converting Canadian holdings to $USD, open borders, no tariffs and increasing our domestic trade/business opportunities by 30X might make many forget the words to OH Canada over night? I am not sure however that Trump wants another Democrat state that is similar to California to deal with. He just wants us to tighten up the border/drugs in Canada.
I was in Panama yesterday. I spoke to Panamanians and by chance met and got a photo with the very young (37 year old) newly elected Mayor of Panama City, Mizrachi Matalon. He was driving his new Cyber Truck! Mizrachi brings hope to very corrupt city the locals told me. The locals also told me that they were all for the US taking back the Panama Canal that has fallen years behind in scheduled maintenance/repairs and also corruptly run by the government. Locals have not seen the $5Billion USD it collects annually in transit fees.
I agree with many of Doug Beiers comments. Elon Musk is a brilliant once in a lifetime thinker and business person and when you consider that 50 cents of every dollar spent in the USA & Canada is spent by government, I think DOGE (dept of government efficiency led by Elon & Vivek) is long over due. Even the Scandinavian counties are reconsidering their homogenous socialist strategies that many often reference as successful.
Hugh Holland “Musk has yet to learn that running a government is not like running a country.”
Did you mean running a government is not like running a business? Confused by your statement.
I saw a map that depicted the whole of North America as one country called Canada and the caption was to ask Mr Trump to be the Premier of the 11th Province. That seems a better solution all round.
Too many of us are focused on the small things, like cheering for our team to win the next election, change out the colour of the jerseys, using new words and phrases as stand-ins for ideas…as if that will cure what ails us.
The larger shifts are taking place within our culture towards individualism (loneliness), a distrust in our institutions, especially our financial system (see the rise in crypto among younger men…. Who supposedly put Trump over the top) and an unquenchable desire to blame somebody for our troubles and soothe us between bouts of outrage. We interface with these small portals that beg us to beg “what’s in it for me!!?”
Any sitting government not willing to play to these frustrations is now out or headed for the door. This reverberation chamber is breaking down our collective patriotism. If social media keeps telling us that our government…our country is the cause of our problems, well then maybe we should leave it?? Move elsewhere? I’ve been astounded over the last few years at the Canada bashing that’s been done, and continues… Mostly by Canadians. And quite a few people even deciding to leave for more perceived prosperity and freedom. To them I say “best of luck”.
It comes as no surprise then that there are those looking to capitalize on these sentiments. Why let all this discord and frustration go to waste? Why not float a solution “hey, your government is your problem, why not rid yourself of this pesky border, join the big team and all will be well again…?”
Tech companies would love fewer borders… Fewer rules! An astute observation by a previous commentator on O’Leary’s true motives.
For the megalomaniacs out there, this is just a big game of RISK…. If you’ve ever played the board game for world domination, it’s slow and bumpy but always comes down to two players casting the dice against one another. Now, to put down my phone for the day, appreciate what I have and go chat with a neighbour.
Hugh, your dissing of Mr. Wonderful, the Great O, has merit but give credit where it is due. You left out the fact that he is a kingpin in a massive 70 billion dollar AI centre project to be developed in norther Alberta.
Seems like a much better effort than governments throwing billions at battery plants with a dubious future. Perhaps if they fail we could recoup some of the cash selling the infrastructure to that drum beating, energetic pink bunny.
The latest Angus Reid poll shows the Trudeau Liberals losing official party status. Party vote intention is down to 16%. Canadians have had enough. Once this ridiculous fool and his government are defeated, then the serious problems this country is facing can finally be addressed by serious people. Can’t happen a moment too soon
This is nothing more than pressure on Trudeau to crumble (working) and end up with an election. Trump is surrounded by Canadians and knows we need help getting rid of our useless and incompetent WEF occupied liberal gov’t
Since almost day one of the creation of the United States of America – what its first president, George Washington, referred to as ‘the Great Experiment’ – there has been a nasty element inherent within the American Dream (Yes, most elements have been positive in nature.) of a biblically-interpretative ‘exceptionalism’ called ‘Manifest Destiny’ that historically has often morphed into militarily-aggressive expansionism.
One example of this aggressive form of expansionism was the annexation of Texas in 1845, resulting in the Mexican-American War of 1846-48. If you’re old enough and watched American TV as a kid in the 1950s, you will no doubt remember the Battle of the Alamo and the Davy Crockett craze along with its popular raccoon tail hat, plus the 1955 Disney film ‘Davy Crockett: King of the Wild West.’ Yes, as a pre-teen, I was very much part of that craze along with the raccoon tail hat!
Fortunately for me as a kid, I received from my English parents a more nuanced and balanced view of American history. This included frequent drives and picnics along the Rideau Canal (1828-32) between Bytown/Ottawa and Kingston’s Old Fort Henry, which had been built as a more protective supply route between Montreal and York/Toronto in the event of an anticipated third American military invasion of what was then Lower Canada (Quebec) and Upper Canada (Ontario). There were almost annual trips to Niagara Falls with visits to the nearby Major-General Sir Isaac Brock’s historic towering monument (56 metres) atop Queenston Heights (Site of the historically significant battle on 13th October, 1812.) and climbing its 235-step spiral staircase to the porthole windows – experiential history education at its best!
For the historical record, there have always been a vocal hawkish annexationist minority within the populations of both the United States and British North America/Canada. For example, decisions by the distant British government to transition from a mercantilist to a free trade policy – hence the removal of preferential treatment for colonial goods (This was especially devastating for Canadian timber, wheat and flour interests.) – led in the 1840s to a decade of economic depression and political turmoil/realignment in the new United Province of Canada (Canada East/Quebec and Canada West/Ontario).
These global and regional factors during the 1840s triggered the drafting and publication in October 1849 of the ‘Montreal Annexation Manifesto’ that called for both an economic and a political union with the United States. This manifesto was signed by 325 Montreal businessmen, who mostly were politically Tory and Anglophone. One of signatures of that annexation manifesto was that of a young Sir John Abbott who briefly would become Canada’s third prime minister in 1891-92 after the death of Sir John A. Macdonald. A young Sir John A., MP for Kingston at the time, referred to these Montreal annexationists as ‘pocket-book Tories.’
Earlier in 1849 (night of 25th April), a ‘mob of young Tories’ protesting perceived pandering to French Canadians burned the Canadian Parliament buildings to the ground – located at the time in Montreal – when earlier in the day the British-appointed Governor General, Lord Elgin, had given royal assent to the Rebellion [of 1837-38] Loses Bill that had been passed by a majority of members of the United Canadian Parliament – in our constitutional history, it symbolized the final realization of Canadian ‘responsible government’ in domestic affairs.
In writing this post from the perspective of a greenish lower-case red tory, I am not anti-American; to quote the 13th prime minister of Canada and a Progressive Conservative, ‘Honest John’ Diefenbaker, 1957-63: ‘I am not anti-American, I am just being pro-Canadian!’
In our current dire situation – not just nationally but also globally – and once again with some evidence of ‘veiled treason’ (Thanks, Sir John A., with reference to your ‘last hurrah’ during the ‘unrestricted reciprocity’ federal election of 1891.) to our sovereignty as a nation, I am drawn to a comment by a prominent mid-20th century Canadian historian who taught for many years in both the United States and Canada, author of
‘Colony to Nation: A History of Canada’ (1946), ARTHUR LOWER (1889-1988):
‘In every generation, Canadians have had to rework
the miracle of their political existence. Canada has
been created because there has existed within the
hearts of its people a determination to build for
themselves an enduring home. Canada is a
supreme act of faith.’
Yes, the PAST informs and instructs the PRESENT.
Peter Kear,
Huntsville.
How would a NATO member country (let’s say the USA) annex another NATO member’s territory (either by force or otherwise contrary to the willingness of the annexed NATO member country)?
Greenland is a territory belonging to the crown of Denmark. Denmark is a member of NATO and the EU. Canada is a member of NATO. In fact, both, Canada and Denmark were two of the 12 founding members of NATO formed in 1949.
NATO was formed after WWII. to offer to the member countries of the free world protection from armed or other interference from potential expansionist ambitions of some of the countries which did and evidently continue to harbour such expansionist ambitions (namely Russia and China).
It is rather alarming to have a reason, now in the 21st century, to worry that so-called cradle of democracy, the USA, is going to be lead by a fullish man, a man who believes that to be an aggressive bully is a sign of intelligence, prudence, and success.
Thank you Mr. Mackenzie. I agree with every word you have written. Mr. O’Leary is a showman, I wish him well, but please keep your relationship with the other showman, trump to yourself.
You don’t understand Canadians, and money seems to be your motivator in all things. I’ve seen you on CNN
and I’m not impressed.
Thanks again, Mr. Mackenzie for your brilliant observations.
Ms. Paulette Valiots.
Certainly I share your concerns. The idea of becoming a conquered nation at worst, or a sold out nation forced into United States Citizenship, terrifies me. The Trump/Musk take over of the American government is a nightmare that will spread into any country that they believe they can subvert by economic pressures or outright military invasion. Our country with its vast reserves of water, oil and natural resources is vulnerable to their immense greed and vulgar imperialism. Strong leadership might avert a traditional assault, but this cunning, covetous, and reptilian duo will be hard to dissuade or repel – it is unlikely that any negotiations will appease their global ambitions. We are likely witnessing the fall of the American Empire and will suffer to the same degree that other countries have had to endure at the hand of American hegemony. Whatever is coming, our relations with American Might will be altered forever.
The last true patriot elected in North America was Ronald Reagan. Is Canada’s gene pool so shallow that we have a continuous succession of ‘limp wrists’ elected to be our leaders? Popularism has nothing to do with patriotism – sadly, few can make the distinction.
Thank you, it is vital that all Canadians denounce the insulting comments from the
Mentally deranged future president and his president aspiring friend plus Mr Wonderful guilty of treason for sure
Mr. Beiers;
So, you too are caught up in the dreaming of space solutions to our problems. Fascinating as that is (and it is), if more time, energy, will, and money were practically spent on saving the planet on which we currently, presently co-exist – then I might look on EM with a bit more interest.
As for rah, rah, government cuts, watch who suffers as a result of these policies.
I have very little faith in for-profit wealth (especially with predatory inclinations, e.g. the uncovering of the inadequate addiction/mental health services at the for-profit healthcare Muskoka luxury facility); both for-profit and non-profit require oversight/examination to help ensure ethical practices – access, costs, healthcare service delivery.
Ms. Frost, you need to turn on spell check on your phone or computer.
Or perhaps you don’t believe the results you are getting and wish to write your own?
Yes Hugh we must pay attention to what’s going on south of the border. But Donald Trump will be up to his ears with a mostly disfunctional cabinet and many serious problems he has promised to “fix on Day 1”. His plan to deport 2 million illegal immigrants is estimated to take most of his 4 years. Those mostly good people who will be good workers and good citizens didn’t ride for a week with their babies on top of a boxcar just for fun.
The US congress has already shown they will not be just going along with every crazy idea from Trump and Musk. Musk has yet to learn that running a government is not like running a country. You must think of all the people, or you end up like the French revolution. Musk is a very smart guy, but there are 7 kinds of intelligence, and nobody has them all.
Kevin O’Leary is desperate for a little attention. He hasn’t had much lately. If Canada were annexed to the US, our population of 41 million would have about the same representation as California with 39 million people. We would have 52 congressmen and 2 senators instead of the 338 MPs and 105 Senators we have today. Some cynics might see that as a good thing, but they would quickly change their mind as soon as they had a serious issue to deal with. Alberta and Quebec would not enjoy any special status. They might have about the same clout as Rhode Island. The US congress has not had any more success than our parliament in dealing with today’s staggering list of domestic and international problems. Other than size, Canada and the Scandinavian countries have generally better ratings than the US. So, we must be careful what we wish for.
The big question is which Canadian leader could work best with an unpredictable narcissist and climate change denier? Interesting that just yesterday, Texas and Mississippi experienced some 40 damaging killer tornadoes in the historically least likely month of the year. But Trump says climate change is a hoax.
Ms. Frost: I would appreciate it if you would tell me specifically what information I have posted in my article you believe to be wrong. I try very hard to be accurate. A general tirade against all media does not help me determine this. I believe my facts to be accurate. My opinion is my own.
Are you so behind that youve missed essentially the complete callout of nearly All legacy media and their exposure of misinformation or straight out lies??, im sorry sir but you need to wake up….thetes a reason most do not believ a word they hear on the evening news anymore, its becaus ALL of us can go back, watch FULL interviews and see very clearly that theyv been lying to us gor awhile now, chopping up interviews to giv jst the part of a sentence tht serves thm etc.
SO mch has been called out and these new agencies are being sued for their misinformation.
You need to stop with all the nonsense, and stop spreading all the same false narratives or youre gonna be left behind in the same dustbin as CNN, ABC, MSNBC, CBC and the like.
Well stated, Hugh. As Canadians, we need to stand together to protect our country. Bullies are bullies, no matter their political standing, wealth, or popularity. Until someone stands up to them, they’ll keep hitting us with everything they can to weaken our resolve.
We need a strong leader to unite our country. We need someone who will fight on the political stage to demonstrate the strength of a unified country – one not willing to be mocked, degraded, or taken lightly.
We need to keep Canada, our home and native land, ours. We need to stand on guard now, before we end up seeing our husbands, wives, sons and daughters fighting them off on a battlefield.
Keep Canada Strong!
Mr. Mackenzie;
Kevin O’Leary can be counted on to live as he performs – where there is Big money to be made, he will be lured- I suggest this is his first allegiance. I am waiting for the National Post to raise him to new heights of brilliance (to be read with sarcasm).
An important topic and commentary for the times we are in.
I am still waiting for PP to show himself as being a real Canadian, to put on his “big boy” pants and agree to and pass a security clearance check while in office. He needs to step up to this responsibility Now. Otherwise, he appears as a small lad, creating a partisan political point, “you can’t make me” (as would any primary school child)
Mr. Wonderful, not! I don’t think I could stand being in the same room with O’Leary more than 10 minutes without openly insulting him. Sums up my opinion of the guy.
Trump is the master of creating discomfort in others he is negotiating with. What does Trump want? Well, at a minimum he wants (IMO) tighter border control over illegals and rampant drug/people smuggling that Canada seems to not be currently placing on a high priority basis. Alberta is somewhat of an exception as they seem to agree with those priorities, but their struggle with the Feds waters down their efforts. Add to that Trump has made it clear better trade deals for the US with other countries is right at the top of his agenda. He has no interest in making Canada the 51st State, but he does know how to yank our chain lol.
I am a huge fan of Elon Musk, just to be clear. Anyone who has visions of massive cuts to government waste while also has plans (well along) to create a manned base on the moon beginning within 2-3 years and Mars beginning in 4-6 years is a visionary we are badly in need of. He has proven time and again to be able to turn the impossible into reality, at a small fraction of the costs of any competitor, including governments (ie: NASA). It is not just Space Exploration he is pioneering. He is well on the way with Neuralink to enable the blind (from birth) to see and other ‘impossible’ miracles of science https://nypost.com/2024/09/18/business/elon-musks-neuralink-receives-fdas-breakthrough-device-status-for-blindsight-implant/
It is visionaries like Musk that will help immensely in bringing people together with his unique & almost magical talents that history will be still writing about in 50+ years. Our fractured society badly needs common goals and interests that capture our imagination and set our petty differences aside.
Canada’s Federal Government is hopeless in the near term I am sorry to say. There is no-one in line right now who can set our sights or ‘right our sails’ in a positive/meaningful direction. I can think of 4 people (2 women) who down the road will likely be able to do the job, once freed from ongoing legal persecution by those in power. Poilievre will say anything to achieve political power, but IMO it is all hollow. I doubt he could even balance his personal check book, as he has never held a job outside the public welfare of politics. Who controls him in the background is open to speculation, but he will say whatever he thinks will gain him power, then do the bidding of his shadow controllers. Yes, Canada is years away from righting the ship, but it will happen, in time.
So relax, keep your heads down, eyes open, it will likely be a rough ride for a while but it will work out in time.
Doug Beiers
Another bang on commentary, Hugh. Where are the Churchill’s or Pearson’s in this era? Too many wealthy individuals like Mr. Wonderful trying to influence us. I am really concerned what we are leaving our grandchildren to face. I am not happy with Trudeau but PP is not the answer. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. I am not optimistic for 2025.
Hugh Mackenzie: I too am more than content to be a Canadian and a Conservative. I had a raft of American relatives who needed to be apprised of the fact from time to time. Not so many anymore: time you know.
I’m not a big government Liberal and am not fond of the huge increase in the size of the provincial Conservatives in the Ford era. We have a lot of people in charge of various ‘files’ or ‘portfolios’. People in charge of functions that seem to have quit. Functioning that is. The minister of this and of that and all of them inept and barely in working order. But still accepting a couple hundred grand a year for poor performance.
Various comments here on Doppler insist we need new leadership. A new Prime Minister. It seems the mantle will go to Pierre Poilievre. Someone referred to him as a pit-bull. I find him to be more of a vexing ankle-biter. Does anyone actually have an idea as to what the PC platform is? They have to come up with something soon. It won’t be long before there is an election and I guess without a stated platform, they will simply say “We’re not Liberals.” I hope there’s more, but right now that may be enough.
But how will this new leadership stand up to the problems it will face? Trump and Kevin O’Leary will be extra curricular I think. There are a couple of western premiers that hold little regard for the present PM and why will they think any better of what the PCs have to offer. Quebec runs on the “not withstanding clause” and only acknowledges it is part of Canada when the rest of the country gives them money.
I agree with you that we need a strong leader. Someone who can convince us they can do the job by actually doing it. But I don’t see or hear that person. It may be damn hard to find a name to put my X beside.
I note the comment of Jean Charest. How I “should feel deeply offended by President Trump’s remarks”. I’m past that point. I’m miffed I have to occupy a continent with him. And I’m not sure that Elon would be that pleased to be compared to Rasputin. Not since the man was poisoned, shot and hopefully drowned. There is also the story that he died from pneumonia after being dunked in a hole in the ice.
But I’m hoping we find a leader. I don’t care as to the party. Just as long as the job gets done. I guess that’s part of the problem. We don’t know how well or badly the leadership ’til it has done the job for a while.
Politics a little like religion I guess. You gotta’ have faith.